The latest polls, The Greens and terrible numbers for both leaders.

Newspoll released last night had a 2PP vote of 51-49 to the ALP. there's nothing strange about that, yesterday's Essential Research poll also had a 2PP of 51-49. What was a bit strange in the Newspoll was the primary figures. ALP 35% (-2), LIB/NAT 41% (-2) and Greens on 16% (+4)

What do you think? Do you think this poll is an outlier? Do you think will get anyhwere near 16% at the next election?

Another interesting this that both polls has shown collapse is the fall in approval and rise in disapproval of both leaders. Kevin Rudd is in negative net approval territory with Essential for the first time (-6) which is a -10% change from last time. Abbott is at -15 which is also -10%. With Newspoll, the numbers are also pretty bad with Rudd -18 (-6) and Abbott -12 (-9)

EDITL Essential's Primary numbers are 39%, 41% and 9%

Essential Report: 56-44 and people's opinions on party attributes.

Today's Essential Report sees a 2% 2PP gain by the ALP. Primary votes are Labor 45%, Coalition 38% Greens 9% Family First 2% and Others 6%.

On the question of which PPL scheme they preferred 40% said the Government's, 24% the Opposition's while 27% said neither and 10% were undecided.

Party Attributes (changes from July 2009)
ALP
Moderate - 63% (-2%)
Will promise to do anything to win votes - 63% (+6%)
Looks after the interest of working families - 57% (-4%)
Professional in it's approach - 55% (-4%)
Understands the problems facing Australia - 54% (-8%)
Has a good team of leaders - 52% (-8%)
Out of touch with ordinary people - 48% (+4%)
Too Dominated by it's leader - 45% (+6%)
Divided - 36% (+6%)
Keeps it's promises - 33% (-11%)
Extreme - 26% (+1%)

LIB 
Moderate - 50% (no change)
Will promise to do anything to win votes - 72% (+5%)
Looks after the interest of working families - 35% (+4%)
Professional in it's approach - 47% (+6%)
Understands the problems facing Australia - 43% (-1%)
Has a good team of leaders - 31% (+2%)
Out of touch with ordinary people - 58% (-2%)
Too Dominated by it's leader - 44% (+10%)
Divided - 66% (-8%)
Keeps it's promises - 23% (-5%)
Extreme - 38% (+2%)

Comparison
(Example - 'Moderate - ALP 13%' means 13% more people believe the ALP is moderate than the Libs)
Moderate - ALP 13%
Will promise to do anything to win votes - LIB 9%
Looks after the interest of working families - ALP 22%
Professional in it's approach - ALP 8%
Understands the problems facing Australia - ALP 11%
Has a good team of leaders - ALP 21%
Out of touch with ordinary people - LIB 10%
Too Dominated by it's leader - ALP 1%
Divided - LIB 30%
Keeps it's promises - ALP 10%
Extreme - LIB 12%

 There's also a few questions in there about media.